
EPISODE #122
NATALIE PAPIER
Why Every Room Starts with a Piece of Art
"Agreeable gray just wasn't agreeing with me."
That line says everything about Natalie Papier’s signature design style. She's the author of Start with the Art, and star of Magnolia Network's Artfully Designed, who built a career not by following the rules of design but by ignoring the ones that never made sense to her in the first place.
In this episode of The Market Makers, Papier sits down with Jon Pertchik to talk about her success and creative process. It all started with her dad, an artist turned contractor who renovated her childhood home — a crumbling Victorian — that inspired her initial passion for art and creativity. Years later, that early inspiration, combined with following her own instincts, quietly built something much bigger than she planned.
Papier grew up watching her father do two things: make art and transform spaces. He saw the potential of every space and understood what it could become. "The bones are there," she said. "It's just what you put in it that makes it feel like you."
Years later, she found herself in her own Victorian in Oak Park, Illinois, and was struggling to love the very neutral and palatable color of agreeable gray. Rather than leave the walls as they were, she did what her dad would have done. While her kids napped, she grabbed a paint can and got to work. In addition to painting the home, room by room, Saturday mornings became her time to score furniture at estate sales. There she secured an oil painting — a scene in Italy, all blues and boats — and it sparked a thought: wouldn't that blue look beautiful on the ceiling? Turns out, it did. Every client she's worked with ends up with a painted ceiling, and selecting art first became a signature part of her design approach.
The business grew the way the best ones do — organically, through community. Instagram connected her with other designers, artists, and eventually clients. Before she had a name for what she was building, she was already building it. A production company noticed she kept bringing artists into her projects and told her, "That's your show. You're always bringing in these artists." Her response: "Oh, huh, I do do that."
When her husband's job moved the family to Charlotte two weeks before COVID hit, Natalie did what she does best, taking that new space and making it her personal canvas. The new house needed work, the kids needed settling, and somehow in the middle of all of it, she found her design community. Since then, she’s scored a book deal, a Magnolia show, and a lighting collection.
Now she's working on a number of different projects spanning different destinations and unconventional projects, including renovating vintage Airstreams, designing a colorful guest house, and working on a flat in Lisbon. She said yes without hesitation, always pushing herself to learn more and take on new challenges. Throughout it all, she’s never wavered from making home a place her clients love.
"Home is a really meaningful thing. It's our safe space. But you can really get fun with it, too.”

Natalie Papier
I had that whole house painted, interior, agreeable gray. And it was very soon after where I felt like the walls were closing in on me. Agreeable gray just wasn't agreeing with me.
Jon Pertchik
Today on The Market Makers, Natalie Papier, designer, author of Start with the Art, and lead designer on Magnolia Networks Artfully Designed. Natalie grew up watching her dad transform a crumbling Victorian into something beautiful. Years later with two little kids napping, she started doing the same thing. She didn't know it was a business. She just knew the gray walls had to go. Maybe we can start with the art. So your book, tell me a little bit about the title, where it comes from, and then the meaning of it, because it goes right to the heart of, I think, your design philosophy.
Natalie Papier
Absolutely. My whole background has always been in art. My dad is an artist, and then that reflected more as I got older into him being a contractor and redoing this Victorian house that we lived in. So seeing him see the house as a new canvas was something that sparked in me early.
Jon Pertchik
So you were just drawn naturally. You were creative naturally. You were drawn to that, but then you see what your dad's doing and somehow maybe in some small way as a child that inspired you?
Natalie Papier
Yes. I never thought about going in the design world. It wasn't until my own kids were little, we had our own falling apart Victorian home. And I was home and the kids would be taking naps and started using my walls as my canvas. And before I knew it, I had some people approach me and say, "I like your style. Will you help me with my house?" It was a great outlet for me and ended up being something other people wanted and needed for themselves. And I started noticing I would collect a piece of art or buy a piece of art and then I was pulling colors from the art to incorporate into the room to make it really cohesive.
Jon Pertchik
So that tendency to start with a piece of art, take elements of it, whether colors, patterns, textures, and start to manifest that throughout, that just was happening. You were just expressing yourself.
Natalie Papier
Yeah. I think there's a lot of different ways you could look at design. That's just been my natural approach to it. It just sparked even more for me in the design world because now as a former artist myself, or I guess I would still consider myself an artist, even though I'm not practicing conventional art these days, but working with the artist is paying back that passion that I have for it in a different context. It's really cool.
Jon Pertchik
Well, can we go back to your dad a second? Do you mind just because I think that's-
Natalie Papier
Yeah, I love talking about my dad.
Jon Pertchik
Did he build homes, renovations? What kind of work did he do?
Natalie Papier
Some of my earliest memories, he was drawing the Led Zeppelin cover.
Jon Pertchik
Oh, okay.
Natalie Papier
So he was a true artist and then he got into helping a contractor. Then he would go on to have his own contracting firm. And my whole life, I just spent watching him see this crumbly old Victorian we lived in and see it in a way that he can transform it with colors, bring to the character and the history. Because the bones are there, it's just what you put in it that makes it feel like you.
Jon Pertchik
So it went from in some kind of rough shape, it sounds like, to something beautiful?
Natalie Papier
Yes. That's the story of his life. He loves doing that stuff, but he's fallen off a ladder one too many times during the process.
Jon Pertchik
Okay. Well, I can relate to that.
Natalie Papier
No more injuries.
Jon Pertchik
Natalie had her own crumbling Victorian in Oak Park, Illinois. Two little kids, no budget for furniture and those walls painted agreeable gray. Tell me a little bit about that home and how you started to express yourself then.
Natalie Papier
Yeah.
Jon Pertchik
Because that's really where things started, it seems to me.
Natalie Papier
Definitely. We moved into this Victorian house and at the time it was funny because it felt like this huge adult house and you feel all this pressure of like, "Oh, I'm an adult. I have to paint all the walls, very adult problems."
Jon Pertchik
And you said you were house poor at the point, so you've got this big canvas, but... Yeah.
Natalie Papier
You can't really do a lot with the canvas when you don't have money to pay for the furniture and the decor. So paint is one of the easiest ways to transform it. But at first I had that whole house painted interior, agreeable gray. And it was very soon after where I felt like the walls were closing in on me. Agreeable gray just wasn't agreeing with me. And the kids would go down for a nap or my son would be at preschool and my daughter would be napping and it was me and a paint can. I'm doing what my dad's doing and I'm on a ladder painting.
Jon Pertchik
That's awesome.
Natalie Papier
But I was also spending the time on weekend mornings. Saturday morning, I would get up at 7:00 AM. My husband would be home with the kids, and this is my time. And what I chose to do with my time for four hours is go to estate sales. I would stand in line in the cold, go in there, get some good deals on vintage furniture. And then I started really layering the home with these things that brought it to life. And some of the art I was buying at that time was more vintage, refined and consignment shop, or you'd find an emerging artist for art I could afford. It was this oil painting at a vintage market, like a scene in Italy. There was a boat, there was all these blues. And then I just got a bug up my butt one morning and I was like, "Oh, that looks so pretty, that blue. Wouldn't that blue look pretty on the ceiling?" Now every single client I've worked with has had a painted ceiling in their life.
Jon Pertchik
Can you reflect back because you described this painting, pulling colors and applying it to the ceiling. When did you look and go, "Wait a second, I've got this thing now."
Natalie Papier
You think that would come a little bit earlier that you're doing it?
Jon Pertchik
Human beings are funny. I mean, but when? Yeah, did it take a while?
Natalie Papier
It took a long time. I had a client out of California. I brought in three artist friends to do murals. And there were specific projects for that. And it was a production company who reached out to me shortly after and it was like, "That's your show. You're always bringing in these artists and you're promoting artists." And I was like, "Oh, huh, I do do that."
Jon Pertchik
What's so amazing about that is it's so authentic. You're just being yourself.
Natalie Papier
It's been my favorite part too, because on Instagram it really does become this community. You meet all these artists, you get connection with other designers and clients and everybody starts supporting each other.
Jon Pertchik
What started with Saturday morning estate sales became a design firm, a loyal Instagram following, and eventually a call from Magnolia Network. Then her husband's job brought them to Charlotte, North Carolina two weeks before COVID.
Natalie Papier
Back in Oak Park, I was painting the house and going to estate sales. Instagram was becoming popular and I just went on to find my community of other dorks like me that were going around with paint cans and babies and that happened at the same time. I organically started my business and before you know it, between having the clientele and then Instagram doing a thing, people sharing you. Again, it comes back to community a lot too, working with different brands and artists. That also helps you grow and it just spiraled. Once we got to Charlotte, I'm like, "Now I'm working on my own house." Still have my Instagram, but I wasn't directly promoting or advertising my services. New city, there's already designers here. I thought I don't know where my place is in this market. It just, again, really organically caught wind that there was this new girl in town doing something a little bit different. And I do think there is a market for everyone in all kinds of different designs. Just you find your people.
Jon Pertchik
Six years in Charlotte, a book, Start With The Art, a Magnolia Show now in its second season, a lighting collection with Mitzi, wallpaper with Mitchell Black, features in Domino, Real Simple, and Better Homes and Gardens. When you look at your work, you can tell it's your work. It's strong and it's again, these big combinations. Any thoughts on that?
Natalie Papier
I thought about this a lot because this is a question I get. I don't know if it's something you can quite explain. It's just something my brain is just geared towards. I love layering in a home. I think colors do a really good job about creating a mood. So color has always been a huge focus for me, but I love the layers. I want to live in a house where there is pieces that are reflective of who we are and the people living in the home and also how we utilize the home. Functionality is a huge thing for me. It's got to be cozy. It's got to make sense. It's got to be functional and it should be reflective of the people living in it.
Jon Pertchik
So then tell me, breaking it down, like you're meeting with a new client, how does your process work to getting to this outcome of these great colors, this layering, this comfortable space that feels good, reflects the person? How do you figure that out?
Natalie Papier
You definitely have to take time to get to know the people and how they want to use the space. I also feel like the people who are contacting me already want something a little bit more bold and colorful.
Jon Pertchik
Okay, that makes sense.
Natalie Papier
You're not going to call me if you want me to do farmhouse. I'm just not your girl. There are a lot of other people who done that really well and I'm not one of them. So the beginning process I like to do with clients is, show me some of your favorite things in the house. Give me a starting point. Give me a piece of art you love. Give me a color you're really drawn to. And sometimes I even ask people to go in their closet and be like, "What is the dress that you put on that makes you feel like a million bucks." Almost 9 out of 10 times it's a color or pattern. But then these are the same people that are like, "Oh, I'm a little tentative about color." Well, when you put this dress on, you feel like a million bucks.
Jon Pertchik
Interesting.
Natalie Papier
Wouldn't you want to be surrounded with that feeling all the time? Like your jacket right now is a great color of blue. That would be an amazing color on the wall.
Jon Pertchik
Wow.
Natalie Papier
And you'd probably feel really cool being in that room too.
Jon Pertchik
Wow. Okay. Well, something to think about for sure. Tell me about one of the areas, one that we touched on a little bit, but getting to Charlotte, first of all, two parts of this. One is, just picking up and moving. When you started your designer, I understand your husband's work brought you to Charlotte. It sounds like you were just getting rolling a little bit in Oak Park. And maybe I'm wrong-
Natalie Papier
It was about five years, around there.
Jon Pertchik
So you really have something that's now more than just getting rolling. It's established. How hard was that transition? And then tell me about the Charlotte Chateau and that process of your home then from the Oak Park home to that.
Natalie Papier
The whole process of moving to a different state with little kids that...
Jon Pertchik
Yeah. How old were the kids then?
Natalie Papier
Well, they weren't little, little. Elementary school.
Jon Pertchik
That's still little.
Natalie Papier
But you're taking them away from everything they know. You're starting over. We're both starting over. Even my husband, he worked for the team, but it's in a different location with different people. And then March came along, 2020. We were in the house for two weeks before COVID.
Jon Pertchik
Oh, wow. That was the month of COVID actually, March 2020. Oh my goodness.
Natalie Papier
Yeah. Being new there, I spent a lot of time on the house. Of course, I picked the one that needs all the love and the work because I don't want to take a new house and rip it apart when there's new finishings, not necessarily because they're my style, I just wouldn't do that, I'm not wasteful. I wanted the opportunity to make the house our own and COVID gave me a lot of time to do so. But again, that's where Instagram comes in because you're sharing it and people from Charlotte are now reaching out. And at that point Real Simple had reached out to help with a New Jersey house. I did the living room for that house.
The production company reached out again with this concept. It just was like, I'm doing the house and trying to get the kids settled and then all these exciting things were happening at the same time. So it didn't really give you a space to breathe at first. And it's pretty wild that it just took off when it did and how it did because I haven't stopped since I moved here and it's been six years. You're working hard. It's not something you're forcing yourself to do. It just makes you happy and made me happy. And when you have a job where you could just follow your passion and find happiness around, that's such a gift.
Jon Pertchik
No, as I say, the whole cliche, if you love what you do, you never work a day in your life.
Natalie Papier
It's true.
Jon Pertchik
Any projects that really jump out, something that was really significant in your development, that was a risk I took and it worked out. Or maybe it was a risk that you took and didn't work out and you had to rethink it.
Natalie Papier
This might sound a little silly because it's not exactly a client project, but my favorite projects has always been the two homes I've done because that's where I get to have the most creativity and do whatever I want.
Jon Pertchik
You mean your own homes?
Natalie Papier
My own home. So I can experiment with my own home and not have a client be like, "Oh, I don't like this."
Jon Pertchik
All right, so it could be your lab almost.
Natalie Papier
Which we don't get a lot of. We have really good clients. I've been very fortunate to work with some really cool people, but I like my house is the best.
Jon Pertchik
That's awesome. That's great to feel that way.
Natalie Papier
And there's lots of directions I think you can push your creativity into. It's just I don't like to put myself in a box because there's so many opportunities for creativity. And if you're a creative person that comes out in different ways.
Jon Pertchik
So what's next? You've accomplished a lot, you've got a really interesting, very unique, both, look and philosophy. What are the kinds of things you haven't accomplished you want to accomplish, or the paths you'd like to express yourself through? Or you've got a book, you've got a Home EC, great business, all kinds of collaborations. You've done a lot of amazing things. What haven't you done that you want to do?
Natalie Papier
I think we're exploring that a little bit this year already with some more unconventional projects. Those are probably my favorite. One of them where-
Jon Pertchik
Being like what? Yeah, sorry.
Natalie Papier
Renovating Airstreams, vintage Airstreams that are going to be on marinas as little office properties for moorings that are marinas. We're starting with two, at two of the marinas. There's seven in total.
Jon Pertchik
Totally get it.
Natalie Papier
So they can serve a purpose as an office.
Jon Pertchik
Yeah, no, I get it. So are you doing that? Have you started?
Natalie Papier
Yeah, we started that. So we have the Airstreams. We have a guest house that is the full house, but very, very colorful. The owners of the home, they own the company, the Woobles and it's teaching yourself how to crochet and it's very colorful, the dynamic, and they want the house to be reflective of that too. So that one's a fun one. The Airstreams are a fun one. We have a flat in Lisbon we're working on now. Never done anything out of the country before.
Jon Pertchik
Wow. Do you mind if I ask how that came about? We're in the process of getting dual citizenship in Portugal and I'm going there next month.
Natalie Papier
Yeah.
Jon Pertchik
My wife and I and the kids.
Natalie Papier
I feel like everybody's going to Portugal.
Jon Pertchik
It's a cool place.
Natalie Papier
It is.
Jon Pertchik
We like it because it's very not fancy. It's very chill. People are just very low-key and kind and all of that. We're not leaving this amazing country, but it is just another place to spend time.
Natalie Papier
Yeah, it's great.
Jon Pertchik
So how did that come about? How did Lisbon of all places?
Natalie Papier
A follower.
Jon Pertchik
Really?
Natalie Papier
Yeah. She just reached out and said, "I don't know if this is something you'd be interested in, but I like your style. And picking up and I'm moving to Lisbon with my six-year-old son. Do you want to help me design my house?" And I'm like, "Yes."
Jon Pertchik
So that could be a whole new departure into Western Europe.
Natalie Papier
And that's a whole other learning curve. So it's fun to just continue to explore and push yourself, do creative things that maybe you haven't done before and you don't know how to do it, but that shouldn't stop you from trying.
Jon Pertchik
That's amazing. I mean, that right there is a great piece of advice for young people thinking about how to become you, just fearless, not just in combining colors, but in undertaking things you're not familiar with.
Natalie Papier
And at the end of the day, we're enhancing homes. We're making them pretty. There's no design emergencies. It's supposed to be fun. It's supposed to be playful.
Jon Pertchik
True. It's incredibly meaningful because I like the word home, but not as a noun, as a verb. You are helping people to home, to figure out their nesting place, the place they raise their kids, their loved ones, and you're helping them create spaces that they want to do that in. It may not be saving lives, but it's pretty meaningful.
Natalie Papier
Home is a really meaningful thing. It's our safe space. But you can really get fun with it too.
Jon Pertchik
Well, this has been awesome, Natalie. Natalie Papier, thank you so much for being here.
Natalie Papier
Oh, thanks for having me.
Jon Pertchik
Natalie's not chasing trends. She's chasing what moves her, painting at a vintage market, a ceiling that needed color and a room that needed soul. She's completely self-taught, no design degree, just a willingness to experiment on her own, walls first. And that's turned into a Magnolia show, a book, product lines, and clients who trust her to make their homes feel like them. Home is a meaningful thing. She said it. It's our safe space, but you have to remember you get to have fun with it too. I'm Jon Pertchik. Thanks for listening to The Market Makers. If you enjoyed today's conversation follow for more stories of transformation from the people shaping how we live, work and gather.
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